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Re: Disney+ streaming service shows announced.

Post by WOODMO » April 19th, 2019, 8:15 am

They would lose more business having the racist content up than they would ever hope to gain. By far


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Post by AJLe » April 19th, 2019, 8:59 am

class316 wrote:
April 19th, 2019, 1:46 am
If the "nobody cares" belief of Greg or AJLe held any merit fans wouldn't be spending thousands of dollars to make their own 35mm film restorations of Song of the South nor would any Song of the South torrents exist.
OK, so instead of "nobody cares", it's really "only racists care"?

Fine, but no major corporation is marketing their product to appeal to the racist demographic.

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Post by lanza218 » April 19th, 2019, 11:31 am

Is the movie racist? I've never seen it and only heard the zip a dee song. Or is this a case of Class over reacting

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Post by class316 » April 19th, 2019, 3:38 pm

WOODMO wrote:
April 19th, 2019, 8:15 am
They would lose more business having the racist content up than they would ever hope to gain. By far
Actually this can be refuted. In the recent blu ray signature edition release of the classic Peter Pan animated movie they kept all the Amerindian scenes intact. If they removed it there would have been major outrage.

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April 19th, 2019, 8:59 am

OK, so instead of "nobody cares", it's really "only racists care"?

Fine, but no major corporation is marketing their product to appeal to the racist demographic.
Did you not read anything I said? Again, there is a huge following for both old Disney stuff AND for Golden age era animation (which Disney was a huge part of). When the Disney Movie Club releases them as exclusives they are always best sellers (I made some cash buying them and flipping them on other forums for people outside North America who can't be a member of the club or North Americans who don't want to sign up for the DMC). And the Disney Treasures sets which are now long OOP go for big money now. Many in the triple digits. Referring to those sets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney_Treasures
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Re: Disney+ streaming service shows announced.

Post by lanza218 » April 21st, 2019, 9:11 pm

Dumbo will be edited and Song of the South will NOT be included


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Post by class316 » April 22nd, 2019, 12:46 am

lanza218 wrote:
April 21st, 2019, 9:11 pm
Dumbo will be edited and Song of the South will NOT be included
Fake news
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Post by lanza218 » April 22nd, 2019, 12:50 am

heah? and I quote:

When Disney+ launches later this year, it won't include two of the company's most racially-charged pieces of content. A new report from Boardwalk Times suggests the new streaming platform will launch without Song of the South in addition to featuring an edited version of the original Dumbo.

At one point, it had been announced that the entire Disney vault would be, at one point or another, added to the streaming service for consumption, instantly prompting to fans to ask whether Song of the South would be added. For the uninitiated, the movie features a character named Johnny (Bobby Driscoll) who finds pleasure in working on his grandmother's plantation. While there, the movie makes light of slavery as the workers find joy working on the plantation.

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Post by class316 » April 22nd, 2019, 12:58 am

It appears that this article isn't properly sourced. Dumbo has never ever been censored on any home video release, including the 70th anniversary blu ray. And it remains intact in Disney's UK streaming service. Plus they can't remove the crows from Dumbo without adversely affecting both the flow and the plot.

Also that article is even misinformed about Song of the South as the story takes place after the civil war.
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Post by lanza218 » April 22nd, 2019, 1:38 am

Well, its happeningggggg

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Post by mrira » April 22nd, 2019, 10:07 am

What’s wrong with Dumbo?

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Post by class316 » April 22nd, 2019, 2:57 pm

mrira wrote:
April 22nd, 2019, 10:07 am
What’s wrong with Dumbo?
The crows. But again I would wager the article is fake news.
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Post by lanza218 » April 22nd, 2019, 4:12 pm

How much?

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Post by Greg2600 » April 22nd, 2019, 7:10 pm

class316 wrote:
April 22nd, 2019, 2:57 pm
mrira wrote:
April 22nd, 2019, 10:07 am
What’s wrong with Dumbo?
The crows. But again I would wager the article is fake news.
You're WRONG yet again!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... ey-1203624
There are no plans to make Song of the South available on the $7-per-month offering.

That is consistent with Disney's previous policy regarding the 1946 film, which has been criticized for its portrayal of African-Americans following the end of the Civil War. The film, which won a best original song Oscar for "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" and inspired the Disneyland ride Splash Mountain, has not been released on home video in the U.S.

Disney CEO Bob Iger spoke about the decision during the company's 2011 annual meeting, saying that, after a rewatch of the film, he felt parts of it "wouldn't necessarily sit right or feel right to a number of people today" and that "it wouldn't be in the best interest of our shareholders to bring it back, even though there would be some financial gain." Boardwalk Times first reported the movie's absence.

The company also doesn't plan to include a scene from the 1941 animated film Dumbo featuring a crow named Jim Crow, a reference to a 19th century blackface character that later became the name of the segregation laws enacted following the Reconstruction era. The scene also does not appear in Tim Burton's live-action remake of the original animated pic. Boardwalk Times also first reported the scene's absence.
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Post by crowbar » April 22nd, 2019, 7:54 pm

The demand for Song of the South is relatively minimal compared to the demand of new Star Wars or Marvel content. Disney doesn't care about the few completionist weirdos out there.

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Post by class316 » April 22nd, 2019, 11:21 pm

The hollywood reporter article is sourced from the same place as the others.

Even if true, I don't see it holding true for long. There is no way they can remove the crows without severely affecting the movie. They are pivotal plot points and even sing the iconic song. The outcry for this censorship will be too much that they will restore them. And again they have never been censored from ANY home release.

Basically it is like removing all scenes featuring Obi Wan from the original Star Wars. It just can't be done.

Outcry has already in fact started. Someone on another forum said "Please Email them raise some hell if you want to" and put this email: CORP.Human.Resources@disney.com

IF this does happen though, it's just another reason why streaming will never replace physical.
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April 22nd, 2019, 7:54 pm
The demand for Song of the South is relatively minimal compared to the demand of new Star Wars or Marvel content. Disney doesn't care about the few completionist weirdos out there.
The demand for SOTS may be less than Star Wars or Marvel, but replace SOTS with most any of the older Disney feature films (Snow White, Cinderella, Little Mermaid, etc) and that statement will still hold true. However, the demand for SOTS is much higher than any of the older vintage stuff stuff, as that has never had a home release in the US nor has it had any home release outside of the US after 1997.

Fun fact: Song of the South aired on BBC HD in the UK as recently as 2006! And yes there are torrents of that out.
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